Help file in urd format ?

[bookman]

Just wondering, is there a Ultra Recall Help file in URD format.

I was thinking it would be nice if there's a way that I could highlight or make annotations etc that would help me remember a concept or a feature better once I have taken the trouble to understand it.

It's kind of like using a yellow highlighter and making notes on a piece of paper.


Naturally I cannot do it on the chm file.

I can live with the fact that help files are periodically updated and I cannot bring the highlights or notes over.

But that applies as well to an updated paper based book.

But it can certainly help me (us) get better use out of Ultra Recall as we read and learn from the help files.

[kinook]

No, but that is something to consider when revamping the help file.

Some other options:

1) http://www.ultrachm.com/

2) Convert the CHM file to HTML (see http://www.google.com/search?q=chm+decompiler) or download the online help (http://www.kinook.com/UltraRecall/Manual/) to HTML (see http://www.google.com/search?q=website+downloader) and then import (linked) into UR for highlighting and annotating

[martym]

I think that sounds like a great idea: notes within the help file.
If someone does the chm conversion and would be willing
To post it, that would be be of use to a lot of the user base!
MartyM

[bookman]

I was wondering, once you convert chm to html, what is the command to import it into UltraRecall.

I can see from the File Import Dialog,
What would you like to import ?

Which option do I use ?
I don't see any option for html files other than a webpage which is for a single webpage

A folder ?


A possible Freeware chm decompiler which I found via Google, although I have not tried it as yet.

"CHM Decoder v2.1
0,5 Mb
CHM Decoder may decompile your CHM file (Compiled Windows HTML Help) or e-book and extract all source files."
http://gridinsoft.com/downloads.php

[kinook]

You would import the folder containing the HTML files. We did this and found that it requires some tweaking afterwards, since the help file software generates all files in the root folder. After importing, I rearranged the topics in the Data Explorer tree to match the help file. Extract http://www.kinook.com/Download/Misc/URManual.zip and open _UltraRecall.urd to view the help file imported into UR (use the UR tree instead of the HTML contents to navigate and annotate).

[bookman]

Cool - That was a very quick response.

I hope the rest in the community can benefit from this.

For me, I know as age catches up, I don't have the mental dexterity to remember the things I learned about UltraRecall and some personal highlights and notes certainly would help me.

[bookman]

I followed all the directions in the help file as shown below.

2 Things I noticed

1. I could edit, ie Add text etc and highlight webpages I saved from the website.

2. I could not edit (eg Add or change text) ALTHOUGH I could highlight webpages from the http://www.kinook.com/Download/Misc/URManual.zip that you posted. I had downloaded it to my computer and opened the UltraRecall.urd

I also notice that when I had UltraRecall.urd loaded, the Format toolbar is "greyed out" unless I select a couple of characters even though I have given the Item, Edit Web Page (Crtl+Shift+0) command.

This is in contrast to me edting a webpage that I saved off the internet in Point 1 above where the Format Toolbar is not greyed out at all once I give the Item, Edit Web Page (Crtl+Shift+0) command.

I must be missing something here.

Any help would be most appreciated.

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"Editing Web Pages Internally

Web pages that have been imported into Ultra Recall can be edited, as well as viewed, within Ultra Recall:
1. Ensure that .htm;.html;.mht is included in the File extensions to display in internal browser view file extension list in Browser Options.
2. Ensure that .htm;.html;.mht is also included in the File extensions to open stored documents writeable file extension list in Document Options.

Note: You may need to restart Ultra Recall after updating these options. Linked web pages must be non-read-only in order to edit internally, and only local files (not pages on web sites) can be edited within Ultra Recall.

To edit a stored or linked web page item internally, select it and choose Item | Edit Web Page on the menu bar. While editing, elements on the web page can be selected, deleted, moved, text can be formatted, styled, bulleted, colored, typed, etc., using the Format Toolbar and Format menu bar. To exit edit mode, choose View | Refresh on the menu."
http://www.kinook.com/UltraRecall/Manual/editwebpage.htm?zoom_highlightsub=editing

[kinook]

It does seem that the IE editing component has trouble editing the linked pages (probably because of the frames).

[bookman]

I decompiled the Help file with one of those chm to html converters and then imported the folder into UR.

I have no problems editing it.

I have attached the file. Not sure if it would upload as it is not one of the valid extensions for Attached files

However, it is not as neat as the one in http://www.kinook.com/Download/Misc/URManual.zip

[bookman]

1. Originally posted by kinook
It does seem that the IE editing component has trouble editing the linked pages (probably because of the frames).

Is there any way around this problem ?


2. Originally posted by kinook
You would import the folder containing the HTML files. We did this and found that it requires some tweaking afterwards, since the help file software generates all files in the root folder. After importing, I rearranged the topics in the Data Explorer tree to match the help file. Extract http://www.kinook.com/Download/Misc/URManual.zip and open _UltraRecall.urd to view the help file imported into UR (use the UR tree instead of the HTML contents to navigate and annotate).

3. Originally posted by bookman
I decompiled the Help file with one of those chm to html converters and then imported the folder into UR.

I have no problems editing it.

However, it is not as neat as the one in http://www.kinook.com/Download/Misc/URManual.zip


If there is no way around the 1. above, could you tell me if the tweaking is very involved because in my post in 3. above, I was able to edit at least "my version" of the help file although it was not as tidy as the non editable version.

Maybe if it's not too involved, I could do the tweaking myself, if I knew how.

[kinook]

I used CHM Decoder from http://gridinsoft.com/downloads.php to decompile UltraRecall.chm (unchecking Generate Menu option), then imported the results into UR (linked), deleted all image files, and reorganized the topics to match the UR help TOC. I'm able to edit the web pages within UR. I updated http://www.kinook.com/Download/Misc/URManual.zip with this version.

[armsys]

Is Kinook's _UtraRecall.urd editable?
At least, I can't highlight any word?
Armstrong

[bookman]

Absolutely.

But you need to turn on Edit Web Page (Crtl+Shift+0) that's a zero not alphabet O.

That can be accessed via right click menu as well.

[armsys]

Bookman,
Thanks for your fast help.
I miss the new feature/command under Item.
It works.
But how come it won'tbe permanently set. Whenever a new page, I've to press Ctrl+Shift+0 (zero) again?
Armstrong

[bookman]

Yes, that is a quite bit of an annoyance. I noticed that as well.

Maybe it is to protect us from ourselves so that we don't accidentally change contents unknowingly.

Perhaps Kinook can allow us to set the default to "Allow Editing of Web pages".

[armsys]

For long document, the right side vertical bar is missing.
Armstrong

[armsys]

Hi bookman,
Do you have the trouble with Kinook's UR manual? Not sure why. All right-hand vertical scroll bars are lost in Detail Pane. That's, only top portion of the content can be read. It only happens in Kinook's UR manual. I decompile other chm but find no trouble whatsoever.
Armstrong

[bookman]

Yep, same problem for me.

There is no vertical scroll bar.

The content is still there and you can verify that simply by Left mouse click and hold and drag the mouse down beyond the bottom of the detail pane.

I cannot recall if this problem was there before.

[armsys]

Hi Bookman,

Thanks for your fast reply.
Wow, I didn't know your trick. Yea, it works but works awkwardly. The latter is meant for selection.
Bookman, it only happens first time in 4.0.
I have decompiled Access 2007 Inside Out. Everything is perfect, including the vertical scroll bar. Of course, I hope the Ctrl+Shift+0 (zero) can be set permanently.
Kinook's _UltraRecall is the one URD having the trouble.

Armstrong

[bookman]

I reloaded the 1st Manual that Kinook supplied us and noted that the vertical scroll bars in the detail pane are there.

I however noted that the format of the help file was somewhat different from that of the 2nd Manual without the vertical bars.

I guess, only Kinook can help us resolve this. But I think we are getting close.

I can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

If I may just ask,

1. You mentioned decompiling the Access 2007 Inside Out help file. Which decompilier did you use ?

2. Could you then use the same decompiler on the Ultra Recall help file and see what happens.

I really hope we can get to the bottom of this.

I think beyond just learning to use Ultra Recall more effectively, Ultra Recall can become a tool for us to learn other software more effectively as well by annotating and adding notes/highlights to the help files of these other software we are currently using.

[armsys]

Hi Bookman,
Thanks for your suggestion. I just decompile C:\Program Files\UltraRecall\UltraRecall.chm but find it troublesome. All htm contents are blank. Something went wrong with Kinook's original chm manual.
Armstrong

[armsys]

Hi Bookman,

Another shocking discovery: Kinook's decompiled manuals works fine in IE but not Firefox!.

Armstrong

[kinook]

The decompiled HTML had a noscroll directive in the pages. I removed that from the HTML pages and updated http://www.kinook.com/Download/Misc/URManual.zip

[bookman]

Great, works. The Vertical Scroll bar is back.

Hopefully, we can enable Edit Web Page enabled and made sticky within the entire file until we turn it off.

Thanks

[armsys]

Bookman,
Literally, I have to press Ctrl+Shift+0 hundred times a day, I find it very irritating and unreasonable. It doesn't make any sense to have the webpage automatically locked again and again and again.
Armstrong

[bookman]

Agree with you absolutely - I cannot appreciate the reason behind this.

I don't know the rationale behind this auto-locking - Hopefully it's not to protect us from ourselves - so that we do not inadvertently.

I think most if not all UR users are mature enough to look after themselves in this area.

But if it is for some other reason, then maybe there's is a good reason for it.

Perhaps Kinook can remove this annoyance from us poor users or at least give us the option of consciously disabling in the options.

[kinook]

This is available in v4.1 (Tools | Options | Documents | Automatically begin editing web page items when selected).

[armsys]

Originally posted by kinook
This is available in v4.1 (Tools | Options | Documents | Automatically begin editing web page items when selected).
That's much needed feature. Before the 4.1 upgrade, I use Word to edit the content to my satisfaction. Then I copy it back to UR. In any case, UR doesn't offer wildcard replace and paragraph height (eg, 12 pt before and 6 pt after paragraph). Nonetheless, the direct editing in UR will save enormous time.
Thanks a lot.
Armstrong