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Old 10-05-2007, 06:12 PM
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Item detail pane refreshes/flickers with every control+v

When I upgraded to 3.2.5, I noticed this pane to flicker/refresh every time I paste something in it using KB. if this area contains a form, the cursor moves to the first field in the form.

I found this counter-productive and annoying. Can someone confirm this behavior. Am not sure why and what the purpose is.

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Old 10-05-2007, 11:05 PM
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Yes and No (v.3.2.5, Win XP SP2).

When (copy/)pasting (text) to the Detail Pane (with a Form) from a source outside the pane the screen will Refresh immediately after the paste.

When pasting within the Detail Pane the Refresh does not occur.

But for me, the cursor stays within the Detail Pane under both pasting conditions.

This screen Refresh seems to be the answer to these issues, both of which I have expereinced - forcing a manual F5 or Crtl-F5.

From the Version History post:
http://www.kinook.com/Forum/showthre...&threadid=3085
_Scroll bar doesn't update to show scrollable area when pasting into detail text of a form.

_Form fields not drawn properly if form was showing scroll bar and not scrolled to the top when previously displayed.
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Old 10-05-2007, 11:35 PM
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Refreshing was the fix for the two bugs mentioned. But we found a way to fix the scroll bar issue without refreshing, and the latest download http://www.kinook.com/Download/UltraRecallProEval.exe has the improved fix.
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Old 10-06-2007, 08:56 AM
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It works now magnificently. Even though may seem minor, but it affected me in a major way ...

- I have developed 30 macros I use daily to save and apply text styles (font size, color, and other attributes). A macro basically copies the existing text in detail pane, deletes it, then applies a text style via clipboard, selects it, and finally copies the original text back which now inherits all formatting attributes. With these changes, none of the macro worked. The original text was pasted back into the first field on the form. See attached image.

Also, I just have high expectation of UR. I know of no other app. in windows that refreshes when you copy to it. I do a ton of copy/paste and having to deal with these flickers was not an elegant solution for UR.

As always, I thank you a bunch for being this responsive.

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Old 10-06-2007, 09:03 AM
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Here is a shot of these text styles.
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Old 10-07-2007, 01:09 PM
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There is again problem with pasting pictures to item details, the pasted picture is not shown (it shows only after manual refresh). Please, be more careful when uploading new features not to screw up the existing ones
I'm sure all these problems will be gone once we have HTML rather than proprietary rtf format as a base for items, that is causing soooo many problems ... I'm surprised developers don't see this ...
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Old 10-07-2007, 01:19 PM
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it works fine on my install 3.2.5. No issues.

Also, I have worked with in situ HTML editors in many apps and CMSs, but was impressed with none. It's a god solution to edit stored web content, but that is it. I do not want to have it as my primary editor.
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Old 10-07-2007, 02:04 PM
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it works fine on my install 3.2.5. No issues.
it doesn't work on my 3.2.5.1 install ...

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Also, I have worked with in situ HTML editors in many apps and CMSs, but was impressed with none. It's a god solution to edit stored web content, but that is it. I do not want to have it as my primary editor.
why is that? there are many html wysiwyg editor that do their job excellently. Why would you prefer the buggy non-compliant rtf??? Can you do sth that you can not in html or that you'd miss for basic note editing?

And in fact, what do we have now in the several years of existence of UR in the built in rft editor: font, bold/italic/bullets. Nothing else. Not even tables. Ask yourself why is that ...
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Old 10-21-2007, 08:26 AM
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There is again problem with pasting pictures to item details, the pasted picture is not shown (it shows only after manual refresh).
is it only me who experience this glitch? I still have to run version 3.2.4.3 where I don't have this problem

UltraRecall.exe version 3.2.5.2
C:\WINDOWS\system32\MsftEdit.dll version 5.41.15.1514
C:\WINDOWS\system32\RichEd20.dll version 5.30.23.1228

Kinook, could you please confirm it works on your side?
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Old 10-21-2007, 10:54 AM
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is it only me who experience this glitch? I still have to run version 3.2.4.3 where I don't have this problem

UltraRecall.exe version 3.2.5.2
C:\WINDOWS\system32\MsftEdit.dll version 5.41.15.1514
C:\WINDOWS\system32\RichEd20.dll version 5.30.23.1228

Kinook, could you please confirm it works on your side?
I do not have this problem
w2k-sp4
UltraRecall.exe version 3.2.5.1
Riched20 file version 5.30.23.1227
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Old 10-22-2007, 04:09 PM
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Not all versions of riched20.dll/msftedit.dll are afflicted with the problem of not showing a pasted image immediately after pasting, so to prevent unnecessary refreshing, the default behavior is to not refresh in this case. If you are experiencing that problem, use the attached .reg file to turn the auto-refresh on paste of images back on.
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Old 10-22-2007, 05:14 PM
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thanks, that helped. I realized that I have very old rich...dll file, so I found a newer one and that seems to work without problems ... aaaaargh this M$hit
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Old 10-22-2007, 06:14 PM
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... aaaaargh this M$hit
at least some good news http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv...25189420071022
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Old 10-23-2007, 12:55 PM
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Not all versions of riched20.dll/msftedit.dll are afflicted with the problem of not showing a pasted image immediately after pasting, so to prevent unnecessary refreshing, the default behavior is to not refresh in this case. If you are experiencing that problem, use the attached .reg file to turn the auto-refresh on paste of images back on.
no no no ...
This issue with refreshing and riched is becoming really frustrating!!!

So I found some newer riched, and it seemed to work fine, without the need to use the reg file, but now sometimes I edit and paste the images and the previous ones disappear (not just not showing, they are deleted completely)!!! Or I click from item note to item text, and the last added picture or two disappears as well!!! I tried to ignore it ... but this happens quite often.

Grrrrrrrrrrrr ...

RICHED20.DLL version 5.50.30.2002

Is there a version of riched that is supposed to work with UR? The download link would be welcomed.
Thank you!
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:33 PM
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- am using riched20.dll version 5.50.99.2014 with no issues at all.

- Also i have run into a similar issue with another app using this control. Just make sure your edit area contains at least one non-blank character for it to save images. Normally, i insert dates.
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